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Posted: 2010-01-22 12:48 am |
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what's up with the constant requests for money/gifts, and I'm told by thai's they demand a bribe/commission for the returning of ID cards.
weren't this company kicked out of Building A for this type of behaviour?
an absolute disgrace.
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CHEZ
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Posted: 2010-01-22 04:48 pm |
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tony wrote: what's up with the constant requests for money/gifts, and I'm told by thai's they demand a bribe/commission for the returning of ID cards.
weren't this company kicked out of Building A for this type of behaviour?
an absolute disgrace.
i haven't had a problem with the security but there again i am not thai. do you trust the person that is telling you this? has it happened to you?
It is disappointing that unsubstantiated claims of bribery are posted on the forum . If you believe that there is a problem why not inform the Building Manager or the Committee ? At least they can investigate and take any action that may be necessary. that would be my first port of call.
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Posted: 2010-01-23 05:28 am |
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you can read why they were kicked out of building A here.
they still operate corrupt practices in Building B
http://www.thaicondoforum.com/view_topic.php?id=679&forum_id=6&page=1
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CHEZ
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Posted: 2010-01-23 03:52 pm |
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Building 2A and 2B are run by separate committees and that is one of the reasons that they have chosen different security companies. What happens at Building 2A does not necessarily happen in 2B.
you will probably find the security staff did receive unsolicited gifts from residents during the Xmas/New Year period but i would not think they were bribes. here in the uk it is customary to give tokens of appreciation during this period ie milk men, post men, refuse collectors, i don't count this as a bribe or commission. in fact, shoot me, but every time i return to the uk i always give the security people a tip a thank you for the work they do. i do not class it as a bribe for what???????????? and have in the past passed on my loose change to the gardens are we classing that as a bribe again for what????????????
Why have you not reported your concerns to the Building Manager or Committee members as I suggested in my last post ? Do you have any proof of your claims or is this just gossip? Remember that we have CCTV so if you can state times for your statements the committee can investigate what happens at our reception desk between security and residents.
i notice you have made two posts on this forum, this forum is for info, any complaints should be directed to the committee or qpm. the committee do not read or respond to this forum (one of my complaints i think they should ) so your best course of action is take it up with the committee. and when you do and receive information, i and i am sure the absent co owners reading this forum will be interested in the response.
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Posted: 2010-01-24 03:35 pm |
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the reason building A chose a new security company was because they realised early on what bunch of bad apples this lot are.
get your head out of the sand.
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CHEZ
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Posted: 2010-01-25 06:29 am |
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i take it by your response you have not contacted the committee or qpm with your concerns, i can only assume you have your reasons whatever they are. the best course of action is dates time cctv this will either confirm or refute the allegations you have heard and are making regarding the impropriety of our security guards. if confirmed the committee i am sure will deal with it, if not confirmed i take it you will go back to your sources whoever they be and correct them and maybe ask them at the same time why they are making such slanderous allegations and making you in turn libelous. (thats if they have such a thing in thailand) what are their motives.
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thaicond
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Posted: 2010-01-31 10:05 am |
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The committee of Bldg B choose the present company primarily because :
1. Building A had chosen them after so called extensive investigation
2. That as with Build A we would get a Free Guard Tour System
Provided we employed 6 or more Guards
I have seen no such system being used at build B since this company took over
Building A has kicked them out .
We still waste 28,000 baht a month for a ceremonial guard on the front Gate
Whilst on the committee I was dead against this company
There is only in my view one suitable company that should have been hired at that time at that was ESC a European owned and managed company
They were prepared to do the same job with less guards more efficiently using a tour guard system that we would provide at a cost of approx 20,000 baht (less than 1 month guards salary)
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Posted: 2010-02-13 04:40 am |
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"ceremonial guard on the front gate"
I often wondered what that guy was doing on the front gate. Now I know.
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CHEZ
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Posted: 2010-02-13 03:46 pm |
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thaicond wrote: The committee of Bldg B choose the present company primarily because :
1. Building A had chosen them after so called extensive investigation
2. That as with Build A we would get a Free Guard Tour System
Provided we employed 6 or more Guards
I have seen no such system being used at build B since this company took over
Building A has kicked them out .
We still waste 28,000 baht a month for a ceremonial guard on the front Gate
Whilst on the committee I was dead against this company
There is only in my view one suitable company that should have been hired at that time at that was ESC a European owned and managed company
They were prepared to do the same job with less guards more efficiently using a tour guard system that we would provide at a cost of approx 20,000 baht (less than 1 month guards salary)
i for one do not think the guy on the front gate is a waste of money i am not so sure the figure quoted is correct but there again i may be wrong but that figure doesn't seem to ring a bell from when it was discussed before. as i have said before on this forum when discussing the guards i feel safe wobbling back on an evening knowing the guy is there and is visible. it may be a waste to you guys in your 4 x 4 's who get out at the front door but to me and people like me who are on foot and believe me there are a number of us he is a necessity. we can not and should not think of me me me me me, you all should be thinking the building co owners as a collective. we shouldn't be allowed to pick and chose what we want as an individual what we should be paying as an individual 'i dont like the idea of paying for a guard at the front gate but there again i don't use the pool so i shouldn't pay for that or i don't use the lift i don't think we should refurb, i am only there three times a year so i should have a discount  '
the guard is a deterrent he stops every man and his dog setting up camp along the road just have a look up some soi's and think my god our road could be like that. (as its not our road)
i thought we had the 'Free Guard Tour System' from the start of the the company can i maybe ask you to check with the office i am assuming you haven't done this they can then confirm and maybe show you it in operation
i could go on but i am really getting bored with people slating what has been achieved by this and previous committee and committee members. i am pleased we have a committee who are not just me me me me they think good of the collective.
sorry for the rant when i bought the condo the security was a main concern for me as i am not out there that often. so it will always remain a major issue for me.
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Posted: 2010-02-14 04:52 pm |
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Yes they do have a Tour Guard System installed
I was mistaken on this point
My apologies
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CHEZ
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Posted: 2010-02-14 06:50 pm |
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thanks for checking that out, i thought i might check it out myself when i am out in a few weeks time. is it what you were expecting or hoping for?
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Posted: 2010-03-02 01:56 am |
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I think our guards are the best we have had in general, in the last 7 years.
I have observed them asking for I.D's to check people who don't have a swipe card and perhaps don't live here and doing a reasonable security job, touring the building on bike at times and actually being more attentive than previous companies and not asleep at night, unlike our last company's night guard.
Sure they are imperfect, make mistakes and could always be better, but they are the best we have had and a foreign company are likely to be more expensive (I am sure) and employ the same/similar standard of Thai worker to do the job - it could just as easily even end up worse. Security jobs don't get the top end of personnel and it's hit and miss. I think we have it about right at long last.
Personally, the guard at the entrance is debatable. I like to have someone at the entrance rather than nobody with no presence there, as it is a deterent to opportunists to have to go past him unaware of the security details. He can assist and provides visible deterent. Unlike building A, we don't have our own barrier and entrance area with guard(s). However irrational, I simply don't like the thought of the entrance being completely unrepresented and signalling a free-for-all open house from road right up to our front door. He has a radio and can be contacted by our building guards to stop a fleeing thief or for any other reason etc etc. I think he has value in various ways, but I am unclear of his true worth. On balance it is debatable and requires more knowledge, as assumption/error have already been made and corrected.
I am generally content with our current security for the first time in 7 years.
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CHEZ
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Posted: 2010-03-02 06:24 pm |
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welcome back twix
input always welcome
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Posted: 2010-03-04 12:36 am |
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Why thank you CHEZ ;-)
Just popped by.
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Posted: 2010-03-09 10:19 am |
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twix38 wrote:
Personally, the guard at the entrance is debatable.
I am generally content with our current security for the first time in 7 years.
I am weighing in on this for two reasons:
Firstly, B building residents have a long walk to their building, poor lighting at night, and there were observations from some of your residents that they did not want to walk at night without a guard at the front. These are uncertain times in Thailand and robberies are a greater concern. There is practically a government insurrection going on in Bangkok at the moment. Did you know?
The guard on the front is a jewel. When there was a motorbike accident in our front area a couple of months ago he was on the situation "like white on rice" helping the resident who was injured. He would help anyone and it is costing you less than 30 baht per month per unit.
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